Why the YAHOO Crusade Came to a Crashing Halt

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I started the Yahoo Crusade (#2) on August 31st, 2013. It began because NEO had started affecting people, and someone came to me via the MM group (which still existed from the previous crusade) and asked me to help them again.

So we started trying to get Yahoo to stop destroying Classic Groups. We wrote Marissa, Henrique (the COO), and others at Yahoo first. Then we wrote advertisers, stockholders, and media. At one point, I was writing over 100 reporters and 150 advertisers. Then I joined Twitter, learned to tweet, and started trying to reach the media and others that way.

Along with others, I established a tweeting connection with Yahoo’s Jeff Bonforte, who was the senior vice president of communications, but he was no help. He ultimately wound up blocking us, and we gave up reaching anyone at Yahoo through him. At the beginning, I had a lot of help. We created the blog for the Yahoo Crusade, originally titled the Mods and Members Blog; people sent their stories in and we posted them.

My main WordPress editor and I (because I’m all thumbs in there) created owl and other graphics and worked tirelessly for months to make the blog what it is. Tyger and Duane worked with me, doing research and creating documents and other items for the blog. Tyger ultimately got fed up with Yahoo and left. Duane did the same, although more quietly.  I still had some people left who were helping me, but I had lost a huge chunk of my research team, and I needed that desperately.

Then my main WordPress editor’s life changed when her mother died, and she no longer stayed up all night with me working on the blog. She got a job, and although I can contact her and ask her help with it, we haven’t been able to do nearly as much as we could before, and I completely understood that. I also had several  moderators helping me with the group. Somehow down the line, I lost touch with one of them for a while. Others are still around, but some had problems with their Yahoo e-mail addresses, and I don’t know how to contact them for sure.

Tyger ultimately created our new home, MMSanctuary, on groups.io and joined there. Duane came when I contacted him and asked him, so my moderator and research team are now over there as well. Shal even allowed me to make him a moderator to help me out when I was stuck and couldn’t find Tyger, and I added another new moderator this year.

A year into the Crusade, August 2014, it was becoming apparent that we were not going to succeed in our quest this time. I had lost my research team, the reporters were getting tired of hearing mostly only from me, and I was not able to keep up the same pace as before. My elderly parents both had serious surgeries in the early part of 2014, and even though Dad was in the Veteran’s Home, there was a lot for me to handle for them. It began to take more and more of my time.

Then in August, I was fired (removed) from my piano job at the church due a huge misunderstanding about the terms of my contract. I was was actually glad in a way to not have the job because I don’t read music well and was having to do more and more to cover for Mom, who was the organist with me. However, the way it happened got my mom depressed, upset me, and caused a lot of stress.

Meanwhile, three days before I was let go from the church, Mike Brown was shot and killed in Ferguson. That set off a HUGE media firestorm and caused us a lot of issues because my mother lives between Dellwood and Ferguson. She was 84 at the time and wouldn’t move. I live only 6 miles from there and had to regularly go in and out of part of that area to get to Mom, so that became an ongoing source of stress and worry.

Then on November 11th, my mom fell, broke her hip, and went into rehab for awhile. That was before the Mike Brown verdict and the night the rioters burned down part of Ferguson, so fortunately Mom was not in the area.She got out of rehab in December, went back home, and things were finally starting to settle down some. However, she is 85 now, and we are having  communication issues, some based on memory and some based on just our own dynamic. It’s been hard, butI thought things had started to settle down a little last month. I started resolving some things with the church people (as it was coming up on a year) and making better plans on handling Mom and our problems with communication.

Also, I FINALLY started trying to get more sleep. I have been going to bed between 3 and 5 a.m. probably on average of 4 nights a week or more since I was fired. I had trouble sleeping, nightmares, and adrenaline rushes. I stayed up for hours and hours monitoring the situation in Ferguson on Twitter and became really good friends with many reporters, including some of the ones I had communication with regarding Yahoo. Since I grew up in the Ferguson/Dellwood area, I was able to direct people to escape routes when tear gas was thrown or shooting started. I warned them where the gunshots were because I watch local ordinary TV and it would break in all the time. I basically safeguarded people while monitoring how close any of the unrest was getting to Mom when she was at home.

I was developing a better sleep pattern, trying to take care of me more, and getting Mom and the church calmed down when the 1st year anniversary of Mike Brown rolled around last weekend – and all hell broke loose again. So once again I was back on Twitter monitoring Ferguson for nearly 5 nights straight until 4 or 5 a.m. before it finally calmed down again…we hope. It’s still not perfectly calm yet, but the shooting at night has not continued so far, and thank God, no one has set any more fires.

So between running out of time on my end (as I no longer had the time I had before with all this going on) and just finding myself exhausted by the end of the day, the Crusade suffered.

In order to have continued the Crusade at the peak effort I had been at, I would have needed the following:

  • A devoted research team to find articles and the reporters’ contact information for me,
  • A group of people willing to help write/send letters to reporters/advertisers/executives because I no longer had enough time to do it on my own anymore,
  • Someone very experienced in WordPress with enough time to fill in when my main editor couldn’t,
  • A Twitter team to spread tweets far and wide because I couldn’t do it on my own, and
  • Someone to create a viral video for us that might have managed to get more of the public’s attention.

I had none of this. I had a skeleton research team, and I’m proud of them. I had my main editor whenever she could help me, but I also knew she had to get a job and lead a different life now. I had a few people who agreed to write letters, but it wasn’t enough. I had very few Twitter helpers. I had no one to make a viral video, and I didn’t know how.

I asked repeatedly for help in the group, and got help here and there, but I didn’t get a lot; mostly I got the impression that everyone was done trying to fight Yahoo. So we refocused our direction on finding a new home but even that was daunting to do alone. I needed people to check out each new site and give me feedback about them or write a post for me to put on the blog, but it never happened. I needed people to help me explain what we needed and why, and I got a little help with that. We did a post on the blog and we listed our issues. That was a post asking for help in creating a new site for the Yahoo refugees – and along came Mark. :)

So you see, that’s where the Crusade wound up. That’s why it crashed to a nearly grinding halt, and I don’t know what else to do to get it jump-started again or if it even has enough power to jump-start. My fervor for the cause has not diminished, not even slightly, but my ability to sustain what I had been doing has been reduced dramatically.

I thank everyone who fought this fight, and we decided to leave the group and the blog here for those who want to continue fighting and those who want help leaving Yahoo.

With respect and gratitude to all of you for all you’ve done,
Nightowl >8#
Owner/Moderator of Mods & Members

Rescue Ship on the Horizon!

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Just when I thought we were finally sunk….Groups.io to the rescue!

Remember when we asked for someone to build us our own platform for our groups to move to? We said if they’d code it, we would come.

Well, someone has! And not just ANY someone.  Nope.  This someone is Mark Fletcher, the creator of ONElist.

For those of you who don’t get that significance, ONElist is what eventually became the part of the basis for Yahoo Classic Groups.  You can read more about Mark and his history here.  But my point is that we have someone who was part of the beginnings of the original Yahoo Groups now working on a groups platform that very possibly can be our answer!

So far, both public and private groups are free, and there are some fees for some things like more storage and the ability to add members directly. I haven’t gotten any pricing from Mark, but you can post to him in the Beta group and ask.

Bear in mind, it’s still in Beta testing mode, but that’s more than we ever got when Yahoo hit us with NEO. Some things like photos and database are not yet implemented, but the creator is very open to input and suggestions and is encouraging people to join his Beta Test Group which can be found here.

There is also a TO DO List that Mark has created, that can be located here.  Features are the TO DO list and there are bugs and updates also on the site.

Meanwhile, if you want to check out this new Groups platform, test it out, make suggestions, and create your own group to play with, have at it! You can find it here.  Or you can join the test group Tyger and I are running, “Feathered Leader’s Nest,” MM Sanctuary.

Then please come back and give us some feedback either here or in Mods And Members, okay?

So what are you waiting for? Go check it out!

Nightowl >8#

THE HONEYMOON IS OVER FOR MARISSA

The Honeymoon Is Over For Marissa

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The honeymoon is over,
And Mayer hasn’t shown,
any of the past success
Yahoo once had known.

The search function is iffy,
the mail works when it wants,
and sometimes when in Imap,
it hunts and hunts and hunts.

Groups have been dismantled,
the functions are a mess,
tons of data have been lost,
to everyone’s distress.

Nothing works correctly,
photos are all scrambled,
data bases decimated,
while Mayer sat and rambled,

“How wonderful the new design
would be for one and all.”
Without a clue that Yahoo
was so destined for a fall.

The core services have been destroyed,
the fight is nearly lost,
and it won’t be ’till the bitter end,
that the investors learn the cost.

Someone help us stop her,
before it is too late,
Save what’s left of Yahoo,
fix it’s muddled state.

Or the glory it once knew,
will fade into the air,
just because Marissa,
simply doesn’t care.

By Nightowl >8#
October 28, 2014

Owner/Moderator  of the
Yahoo Crusade Headquarters Blog.

For a complete index of this blog go here:
https://modsandmembersblog.wordpress.com/index/

 

The Value Of Yahoo Groups On September 11

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First and foremost today, is the unforgettable fact that today is the anniversary of the 9/11 attacks on the World Trade Center.

Everything else, Yahoo, Mayer, Ferguson, Church issues, family issues, friend issues, pale in the shadow of that. Because we must remember today, and never forget.

It’s ironic that a friend of mine posted in Hollow Tree today and mentioned Affinity. Because it was the Affinity Yahoo Group that first told me about the 9/11 attacks as they were happening. I typically didn’t turn the TV on first thing in the am, but I always came in here and read my mail, checked Hollow Tree, and checked the Affinity Websites.

Bob, Gman, was the one who posted it first in the Yahoo Group AffinityBBS:

Message 3396
Oh my God

fancygapman — Sep 11 9:10 AM
The bar needs to start serving up free booze. I just heard reports that the World Trade Center and the Pentagon were both hit by planes in acts of terrorism – in my mind acts of war. Can someone turn off Montel and put on the news?

See, at that time, we were doing a sort of Role-Playing dialogue in that Yahoo Group. Running an alternate universe in the middle ages with pubs, dragons, and etc., and each playing various “characters”

That post was the first one. But what marveled me, was watching this normally silly, light hearted group of people that I had known quite some time by now, (was already married to John, whom I met through Affinity), suddenly turn dead serious.

And suddenly, the alternate universe we’d created was no more. Instead, all we had, for hours and hours, was a Yahoo group of people who’d not always gotten along, some who had serious differences with one another, become this tight-knit “family” of sorts, as we supported one another through the horror as it unfolded, and even through the days to come until everyone that one of us knew in the NY City area’s fate had been determined.

Now, Affinity is scattered to the winds. I’m in touch sparsely with a few of them, the Yahoo group still stands and is used whenever someone dies or finds us. The founder died, the group may be dormant most of the time, but I’ll never forget the transformation that took place in that Yahoo group on September 11, 2001.

We were all there for one another, regardless of feelings, grudges, past hurts, and that was just as it should be.

So on this 13th anniversary of those events that shook the world. We need to remember those who lost their lives, their loved ones, or were in any way affected by this tragedy. And those memories should bring us together, not set us apart. That’s what matters most on this day.

Brenda
Nightowl >8#
Remembering September 11, 2001.

Yahoo Groups — The Forgotten Users

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WHY DOESN’T THE MEDIA CARE?

 

On August 4, 2014, Yahoo will have been allowed to use Groups users as guinea pigs for one year. ONE WHOLE YEAR.

You know, it’s sad, really.  It’s sad that a company like Yahoo is allowed to treat people so horribly, and no one seems to care.

It’s tragic that they have been allowed to harm disabled and elderly users for nearly a year and do nothing about it.

It’s an outrage that Yahoo can  continue to boast about how wonderful all their new products are when they can’t even get Mail to work right for everyone.

It makes me ill that they can get away with all of this simply because no one knows or cares what Yahoo Groups really is.

Is the media really that willing to allow them to impact human lives in a dramatic and harmful way and do nothing about it?

Mayer hasn’t done what was promised. She hasn’t turned Yahoo around; in fact, it’s sinking faster than it ever was.  Why doesn’t someone notice this? Why isn’t someone stopping her?

And at this critical time, when everyone is scrutinizing her every move, tell me why aren’t they telling the world what she’s done to US?

We have collected stories, evidence, facts, and stats on this site. We have been fighting Yahoo for what will be a year in August, and yet no one has been able to stop her. Why are our lives so unimportant? Why is it that Groups users don’t matter?

We’ve lost our health groups, our support groups, our research groups, and others. We’ve lost tons of data, photos, messages, and more, and still Mayer stands up there on her podium telling the world how wonderful the New Yahoo is. Well, the new “NEO” Yahoo isn’t wonderful. It’s destructive.

The coding is a mess, sorting doesn’t work, and sometimes people can’t even get logged in. The moderation tools have been crippled, and simple things like buttons to change your e-mail options DO NOT WORK.

Yet Mayer feeds the media with rants about developing video and mobile, buying acquisition after acquisition, saying she is turning Yahoo into a great new place, when in fact all she’s done is turned it into a giant wasteland.

WHY DOES NO ONE CARE?

Can someone answer that? We are human beings with feelings, lives, and needs, and Mayer has taken away some of our basic needs – the needs for support, friendship, research, or services through one of our many Yahoo Groups. Mayer has cut people off from suicide, health, and grief  support groups. She has ruined our ability to be effective at the things we were effective at for so long.

We have boycotted Yahoo advertisers and written them and the stockholders, board members, and media. The proof is right here on this blog site, or I can provide EVEN MORE.

SO WHY DOESN’T SOMEONE DO SOMETHING???????

It’s shameful if the media has truly become so heartless that they can turn their backs on people like Hilary and Geoff. It is sad that the media isn’t screaming to the rafters about the harm being wreaked on disabled users and the horrible and disrespectful way Yahoo has been treating elderly users and veterans.

It’s hard to believe that anyone thinks our lives are that unimportant, that our needs and wishes are something to be ignored, and that Yahoo thinks we should just disappear and go away so that they don’t have to acknowledge the effects of their actions.

Someone PLEASE tell our story to the world and hold Yahoo accountable for these things! Mayer isn’t turning it around; she’s running it into the ground. Can’t you see that?

We’ve held on for almost a year now, fighting this crusade. I can’t tell you what will happen when we hit that mark.  Many more users will probably leave. Many more groups will either be deleted or abandoned. Yahoo is a hollow shell of what it once was, with the rich colors and the usability that anyone could understand. Now it’s bland, white, hard on the eyes, and so complex that even the most experienced users struggle with it.

What was the point? If Yahoo wanted to make the point that we aren’t important, that we have no worth to them, they could have done it without destroying our lives and harming us for a year. No, I truly believe they thought they could use us as guinea pigs because they COULD and no one would notice or care.

After all, we’re just the forgotten users.

If you really want to know the truth, read this blog.

Check out the Index.

Check out For The Press.

And check out the list of issues.

Then TELL the world what you learn! Tell the world what Mayer and company have done to us. Point them here to this site.

Maybe then there could be a chance for Yahoo. If not, well, then the Yatanic is going to go down. It’s only a matter of time.

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Nightowl >8#
Leader of the 2013-2014 Yahoo Crusade for Classic.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Graphics Under Attack

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Hello Nightowl,

I really am in awe of the amount of work that has gone on to put this blog up and all the information it contains.

Here is our story…. it may differ somewhat from others. We are scripters and stationery makers. That is to say the groups I am involved are to do with HTML/ VBScript to animate e-mails. There is also a Yahoo group for learning Vector Markup Language to add to our scripts. There are those that simply fill in the scripts with their own graphics and music or there are those like myself that actually write the scripts.

We were quite happy until very recently when our mail suddenly arrived back to us on the bounce in pieces. Yahoo had, out of the blue, switched us from traditional or classic to fully featured. We found out how a blank mail with the name of the group in the address would be answered by Yahoo and the traditional status returned.

BUT no sooner had that problem been solved than all our creative work came back with an egp html banner. That involves a load of Yahoo text either at the top or at the bottom of our mail. and defacing stripes across it. It is like graffiti on top of our work.

We have some canny scripters among us that can find a way of hiding it, but as yet no code to actually filter it out. Kill it. And we were such happy creators, mostly stay-at-homes, some with a health issue, some Senior Citizens. It was their outlet.

This is what one of mine looks like on the rebound from Yahoo. And Yes… some of us do still use XP with Outlook Express. Some use WLM or WM in Win7.

To give you some idea… The center shape rotates as do the 4 ovals. The background scrolls left to right and the text message becomes visible over the center image then fades away in this example.

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But whatever is used it should NOT be sent back from the group “bounce” in this condition.

Scripters do put a credit section in their scripts and this is mine for this script:

<script language=”VBScript”>
‘***************************
‘Written by Andraea
‘Date july 2014
‘What the script is about- VML shapes with rotation extrusion attributes
‘This is my work and it is forbidden for organisations to add to or alter the script without prior permission from the scripter©
‘With thanks to Shar and Lynn and the DSC Script Crafters and Bram for the VML lessons
‘***************************
Option Explicit
SetLocale(“en-gb”) ………..

Sadly so far I am not that clever a scripter to understand the extra attachment coding in the Cascading Style Sheet or the code in the VBScript to see how it is triggered. So to date we cannot delete it, block it or eliminate it as once the inclusion of a visiting card did. Thus I continue a search of those with more advanced coding know-how.

A few scripters may revise all their scripts, some may just write new ones to hide it, but it is still there underneath or pushed down out of sight….thus defeating the object of the exercise as far as Yahoo are concerned. Their banner is thus not visible.

It would help us all if Yahoo knew what effect it has on our creative aspirations and actually felt some sympathy towards us. Because it certainly does not enhance what we do or add to our “enjoyment of the NEO experience.”

Sincerely,
Andraea