Kids Don’t Take NO for an Answer!



Owl Teens 4

One of the most amazing aspects of our Crusade for Classic against Yahoo is the fact that thousands of teenagers and young adults almost immediately took it upon themselves to join our cause and stand up for the rights of the elderly and disabled as well as the rights of all Yahoo users.

This group of kids had a network that stretched across a number of states to the tune of 130,000 users or more, and when NEO came out, it was destroyed just as much as everything else.  The groups wouldn’t function like they used to; the database, something they used extensively, was broken. The assistance they had given in the past with the use of Groups as a platform was effectively crippled.

So they had to abandon their groups, many which closed and were deleted, but they came back to create a new group dedicated to standing alongside of my group and me in the fight against NEO.  Recently they made that group a restricted private group to protect the younger kids, but created a second group which is public.

These young people have worked extremely hard, even around the clock at times, writing newspapers, media, advertisers, congressmen, and government officials. They’ve given up their time, social activities, etc., to accomplish this.  They’ve pled the cause to schools, churches, communities, and more.

They have contacted the DOJ and had discussions with them about the fact that the new format doesn’t meet ADA requirements. They have made it their quest to get Classic restored for seniors and disabled, at the very least.  They have stood up for minor children being protected online, and railed against offending inappropriate ads in various groups. They have spoken out against how Yahoo has treated US Veterans.

They have connected to almost every state in America, as well as overseas, and one by one  they are bringing on board more and more supporters of stopping Yahoo’s NEO Redesign, so their movement grows and strengthens by the  hour.  Counting the Yahoo group they created and other servers on other sites, including Facebook, these 7,000+ members of the younger generation that Yahoo claims it has been targeting have been making their feelings known that they can’t use this new format.

It then goes without saying that if the elderly can’t use it, and the teenagers and young adults can’t use it, just who is Yahoo’s target consumer?

Following is one of the first posts in their group that really moved me:

I received an email from a friend of mine last July. He was behind in his classes and needed help with homework. I knew where to send him. I sent him to our time honored and respected teen group at Yahoo. There he found the help he needed. Not only did he get help with homework, he found some great e-pals and a mentor. He found a place to vent his anger. He had the opportunity to grow.

My neighbor across the street is an older lady. She’s a widow and found a support group at Yahoo. She found the help she needed for her medical condition. She became good friends with the owner of the group and suggested improvements to the group that would be of benefit to her blind friend. No problem, it was done.

In central Portland I heard about a young man that was dealing with sexual abuse and had anger that was eating him alive. He found a Yahoo support group that helped him.

One day I looked at some of the groups that were listed at Yahoo. There were active adoption group that found homes for abused kids. There was even an animal rescue team that found good homes for dogs and cats. I was proud that at the center of all this was the teen group I belonged to.

Then all this came to a crashing end. Yahoo rolled out a new group platform called NEO groups. No longer were we able to use the groups in the way that assisted our lives. By late August, groups no longer functioned. Then began the exodus from the groups. Yahoo lost thousands of users when it became clear that Yahoo had no intention to roll back the NEO format.

By early September the groups I mentioned above were gone.
In mid September I got an email from the dude that wanted homework help. He thanked me and said that we have to do something to help the senior citizens and the blind. Yahoo has dissed them like there’s no tomorrow. Adrian Smith created a group to help the seniors.All I could think of were my neighbors. It was easy for me to join this effort.
Then I thought of our school motto: Conquer with true virtue.
Our group will win the battle to restore the groups for the elderly. Because what’s good will always triumph.

And you know us kids, we don’t take no for an answer.

Vincent Ortega, 10/16/2013

Continue reading the things below, and you will witness the courage & determination they have to reach our goal. I’m so proud of them.

Last September, about 50 volunteers, including Adrian Smith, (who were still in Classic mode), helped former group owners retrieve valuable photos, files, and data. We regret that it was a 50/50 proposition. By February,everyone was placed in NEO. By that time it was too late. I regret that we were not able to reach everyone. But, considering there are millions of groups, what we did helped out a lot.

Adonis A. Luceero  4/20/2014


Answer this question in your heart.  Look through the eyes of justice. Look through the dimming eyes of the blind who were at Yahoo before most of us. They built their Yahoo group homes and believed that Yahoo had their needs at heart. They had the faith in Yahoo that Yahoo would take care of their needs. NEO came in like a wrecking ball in the dead of the night. The blind found the wrecked shell of what they needed and required left nothing they could use behind. For me,my answer is to help as long as it takes. For me my inspiration are my elderly grandparents, my neighbors, the kids playing in the park and Brenda of St Louis, Adrian Smith and Andy Seales.

Who can you help?
Think of everyone around you — in your family, your school, your office, your community, your country, your world. Who can you help? How can you help them?

What value do you have to impart to others? Answer that question, and it will lead you to wherever you want to go.

Do not think that you have nothing of value to offer. You most certainly do. Your job is to find what that is, to discover who you can help, and how you can help them. The value you have to offer is most likely a mixture of your knowledge, your skills, your opinions, your interests, your likes and dislikes, the people you know, and the experiences you’ve lived through.

Help others enjoy prosperity, and you will become wealthy. Help others to be truly happy, and you will be filled with joy. Teach to others, and you will learn. No matter who you are or how doggedly life has beat you down, you have something to offer, something that will make your life shine.

Who can you help? What can you do to make a difference?

Tabor Warren 4/19/2014



RE: Yahoo Redesign NEO Format

1. This format is in violation of public website access defined in the DOJ/ADA. Yahoo was warned from day one that the format is illegal but has not heeded the concerns of the visually impaired.

1A. This format is at variance with the Child Online Protection and Privacy act as amended. It is at variance with the January 2014 California statute forbidding the ‘tracking’ of minor children. When posting to Yahoo groups directly, the IP of the user is disclosed.

2. This format is in violation of international conventions adopted by the majority of sovereign nations through the auspices of the United Nations. Rights to public access to to internet websites for the elderly and disabled. The placement of ads causes the reading equipment of the blind to stop functioning.

3. This format is discriminatory against the elderly. The elderly have warned Yahoo since day one that the format causes their older computers and slow modems to freeze. The high usage of RAM depletes the functionality of their computers over a period of time.

4. This format can not be used by those that have peripheral vision and nerve damage.  Once again, users have voiced and written their concerns to Yahoo. These concerns have been dismissed. Yahoo claims that measures have been taken to address these concerns. Their proclamations are not based in reality. Their proclamations are for the sole attention of media scrutiny.

5. Yahoo needs to be held accountable for forcing this unwanted, un-needed, and unpopular format on millions of users that have complained about this format from day one.


My older brother asked me to pass this on.
This is where he was and his heart remains.

Light the corners of my mind
Misty watercolor memories
Of the way we were

February 2000. Please join the interactive clubs of CorysHouse. Sign-up for your free email provided by OutBlaze and CorysHouse.

CorysHouse and all its contents are dedicated to Robbie Kirkland;14. He enjoyed his home here on the net. Like most of us he loved being a teenager. He laughed, joked and was full of life. All that turned to tears and despair. A harsh and intolerant homophobic world caused his death. CorysHouse is and will remain a project where all are welcome. Through the network of teens helping teens and a buddy system, we will continue to work to prevent teen suicide.

To Robbie:  Your memory will forever live in our hearts and souls. We are here to dedicate our young lives to prevent other teenagers from committing suicide.

Matthew Shepard 1976-1998
Antti Makinen 1982-1998.
Ben of Maine 1980-2/8/1999
JussiJamDude of Finland 1983-2/5/2000
Students, faculty and parents of Columbine HS;Littleton Colorado.
To all that have served this project.

Scattered pictures
Of the smiles we left behind
Smiles we gave to one another
For the way we were

May be beautiful and yet
What’s too painful to remember
We simply to choose to forget

So it’s the laughter
We will remember
Whenever we remember
The way we were
The way we were

CoryHouse 1998/September 2013
Yahoo may have leveled CorysHouse with NEO. Our memories and the love we shared in our internet family will never die.

By Adrian Lucero 4/19/2014



They add up in the scheme of things. They weave a with each thread a tapestry of success. They add to the mosaic of justice. In all they we work to achieve, remember thousands are now part of it. Together we will shine the light on the flawed and illegal NEO format. With each email and opinion you send you are bringing about the day of reckoning for Yahoo. You are making the statement loud and clear that you will not sit still to see the rights of the elderly and disabled trampled upon. You are standing at the head winds of gale force winds firm and strong for the safety of children.

My friends and neighbors, no matter what becomes of this group, our mission will move ahead. Yahoo is running scared. They are deleting messages that dare to hold them accountable. They are deleting messages that remind others a mobilized effort is growing stronger each day against neo.

They can run but cant hide the truth.

Tabor Warren 4/25/2014


She’s right. Yahoo cannot hide the truth. They already deleted it, but we’ve archived it. Between these kids, the members of my group, and me, we have been painstakingly documenting Yahoo’s folly in this new redesign. We have the correspondence, complaints,  comments, and the tweet conversations with Jeff Bonforte. We have tallies of groups deleted, the users’ feedback, and the Tumblr posts; you name it, we have it.  Just ask.

Now all we need is for someone to believe in us, support us, and tell the world what Yahoo has really done. Do our story, get the truth out, and bring the evidence to the light of day.

Help me, along with these kids, to finally hold Yahoo accountable for their unethical and unthinkable treatment of a revered group of people who were once loyal users, many dating back to the time of  OneList.  Yahoo threw the elderly and disabled in the trash. We are trying to rescue them from their NEO nightmare.

Thanks, and please consider telling our story to the world.

Brenda Fowler and the SAYNO2NEO Kids.


Truncated Messages in Archives


Note: This was written by a concerned owner who gave permission for it to be shared.

Hi, Everyone,

I’ve been a follower of this blog for some time. I struggled with whether or not to write this post, but I finally feel I should.  I’m writing today because there is an issue that needs everyone’s attention: Posts Getting Truncated in the Archives.

I’m an owner of a small role-playing group that is basically a writing group, and ever since Neo appeared, posts in the archives have been truncated at 64kb. Now, I’ll be honest, when Neo first appeared I didn’t like it, but I could deal with it, assuming they put the archives table back, which they did. I could deal with it mostly because now that Yahoo Groups has the same software as Google Drive, when another member and I post writings from our Google Drive accounts, the posts aren’t filled with a bunch of symbols and characters make them hard to read, especially posts in the archives. This was a huge improvement after years of dealing with this problem.

However, little did I know. Some months later I was archive-diving, checking my facts for something I was writing (something I do at least once a month, if not more) and I came across this post from 2011 that said “Message over 64KB, truncated.” I thought, what the hell is that? Why? Because I’ve looked at this particular post before in the archives, and I was also the sender. If any post got truncated in 2011 when I was the sender, I would have resent it in parts. I always check and make sure my posts come through alright since Groups is known for sometimes eating posts or not sending the entire thing through or any number of other things. This post was not truncated in 2011, so why is it now? Because of Neo; that’s why.

I can deal with a lot. I even stayed silent when I found ads overtaking a post in the archives, making it impossible to read, because I knew Yahoo would probably get around to fixing it. But this? Truncating my group’s members’ work and mine? All bets are off. I started e-mailing Brenda; I started directing people to the issue on the Feedback Forum — everything I could think of. Except Yahoo closed the issue with this BS about it being fixed, when they didn’t even address the right issue when they closed it.

I thought, okay, what crap, but there are still two topics open about this problem. I’ll just work with those now, and they were getting up in votes, too, but then Yahoo deleted those. Yep, the dreaded problem you guys have talked about here. It forced someone to repost the issue. And now that topic is ranked 52.

Some of you might be wondering why I didn’t catch this problem sooner, especially as I was saying Neo wasn’t that bad. Well, because a lot of my group’s postings don’t go over said limit. Only a small portion are ever that long, so even if I archived constantly, I obviously never came across a posting that had that note at the bottom of it sooner. I’m saddened I didn’t because I would have been bitching sooner, but I’m not the only one with this problem. If you go on Yahoo Answers, a lot of the people complaining are people with writing groups. And even worse? The problems are with postings from years ago. Of course it happens now, too, so I have to go through every post we send now and make sure the writing doesn’t get cut off; it is extra work for me, but I can deal with it. What I find really hard to swallow, however, is posts from years ago now being truncated. Yahoo would say two things:

  1. To just have the sender resend it. My group is coming upon its 11th year. The likelihood of any one member still having a post from, say, 2005 in their inboxes is remote.
  2. (and the one that REALLY gets me) The limit is 15MB, so this shouldn’t be happening. It is happening, gosh darnit!

In short, this is a huge problem. It makes the archives useless. It is unacceptable. And it hurts, as a writer. So I ask for your help for my group and for every other one that is having this problem: If you have come across this issue in your own group, can you please vote and/or comment on the one topic that is still open about this issue on the Forums? I am not the author, but I agree wholeheartedly. This needs to be fixed. It is wrong on so many levels, and I am tired of Yahoo pretending it is fixed or easily remedied. Neither is true.

You can comment on the closed one; it does have the most comments. Despite the fact that it’s supposed to be closed to voting, I see today that it’s gone up from 16 to 11 rank-wise. I don’t understand that at all, but here is the link for that.

And here is the link for the one that is still open for voting.

I thank you for your support.

A Concerned Yahoo Groups Owner