Urgent Update On Yahoo!

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Help! The Yatanic is sinking fast!
Last updated on August 12, 2016

If you’ve been reading in here at all, you are aware that the Yahoo Classic Groups platform was crippled by the redesign which was a failure.

The Crumbling Walls Beneath NEO’s Facade

We have been stuck in a broken interface for going on 3 years now and are unable to delete the groups or memberships, so many of them remain in place looking like they are active when they’ve actually become “Ghost Groups” that are full of spam.

Yahoo Now Holding Users Hostage

This may be our last chance to save the Groups Interface. Since Verizon is now purchasing Yahoo, we are very concerned about our future. As long as Marissa Mayer remains in charge, nothing is likely to change.

We are increasingly worried, as more and more things are failing or breaking every day. Mayer continues to chip away at the core that Verizon has purchased, with her “upgrades” which are a disaster. We’re afraid she might even get rid of us all together, and no one would know the extent of what she did to us.

Recently there was an upgrade to Yahoo Instant Messenger, that is a truly awful design, and made it all but unusable. Verizon needs to be told so they can protect the platform they purchased!

Someone tell the shareholders, the investors, everyone that if something isn’t done soon, there may be nothing left to save! Verizon needs to remove Mayer and stop her from destroying the core business!

Verizon, please get some good programmers who know what they are doing, and help us repair our damaged Groups interface before we lose everything we’ve accumulated for years!

What Yahoo Was And Could Be Again… Great!

We have warned the advertisers that they are advertising to inactive groups and that on many of the groups that are active, the ads won’t even work.  Yahoo in the meantime, claims all this activity, which is non-existent.

Yahoo Users All Mad About Ads

On January 20, 2016, the Classic Groups Core platform that was already limping along badly, started breaking more. 

Post From Mods & Members Yahoo Group

It’s now August, 2016, and we are still losing functionality at an alarming rate!

I am concerned that Yahoo might be trying to close down our groups all together, and send our sites into oblivion, so no one will ever know what they did to us. They already tried once to hide the evidence:

Beware The Ides Of March

So please, someone, put our story out there and tell the public what is happening!? Just tell them we exist! Just post the link to our Crusade Blog somewhere? 

Yahoo Users Crusade Blog

People who use mail are also reporting serious problems with it. Mail is a huge part of the core business. Verizon & the general public need to know what’s happening! Please help us tell them?

For The Press

Because it feels like we’re sinking fast…and the exodus from Yahoo has stepped up its pace. I don’t know how long we can all hold on.

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What Yahoo Was…And Could Be Again — GREAT!

 

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Feedback to Quartz on Mark Coatney’s article.

By David Halfpenny

In “Can Tumblr save Yahoo?” I think Mark has struck an absolutely fundamental point: “Yahoo isn’t an editorial entity so much as a venue in which a lot of voices interact. The problem here is that to be a great platform for users, you need to provide a great user experience.”
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Although his focus was Tumblr, coincidentally Mark sums up Yahoo! Groups.
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Yahoo! What?
Since it seems to be a well-kept secret:  Yahoo! Groups has hundreds of millions of users generating a vast archive of content for each other in the daily care of an unpaid yet dedicated moderator team bigger than the Chinese army.
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All these people come to Yahoo! to share the things that excite and concern them, and while they are on-site, their eyeballs are in Yahoo!’s pocket (as it were).
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In Groups, Yahoo has a distinctive world-leading user-magnetic property in which all the work is done for them – apart from actually manning the content data-centres. Or should I say “had”?
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Naturally Yahoo! wanted to monetise this unsung gem, and naturally they wanted a great user platform, so in 2013 they assigned Yahoo! India to re-write the boring old user interface.
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But because Yahoo had long since lost the source code, the keen young development team took a chance and adopted the new doctrine of ‘Coding without a Net’ ie modifying the LIVE product, untested – inflicting bug after bug, day after day, on a massive live audience – from half a world away.
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Over two years later, tranches of functionality remain crippled, most heartbreakingly the godsend facility for blind and partially-sighted users to have Screens of text read out to them.
All this brought a profound backlash from users.
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Millions fled to other platforms to avoid the bugs, while millions more have dropped their usage drastically.
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Huge volumes of daily traffic have shifted to Facebook Groups, which (although pretty Mickey Mouse in functionality by comparison), do actually work.
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When I look down the message stats for my own list of dozens of groups (i.e. thousands of members), most seem to have died on their feet.
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As a moderator, I still have a user core who still have a perfectly good Groups experience. But their trick is to use Groups via email. While they don’t whinge as they never see the wretched interface bugs, they also never click on another Yahoo! property, and never see a single advert!
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Ah yes, the adverts – crass, screen-hogging, annoying – exactly what Ad-Blocking was designed for! In striking contrast to Google adverts, which most people I ask don’t even notice.
So now we now have a vocal Groups community, raging against the hand that feeds them, many hoping against hope that a forthcoming retirement announcement by Marissa will somehow bring back the boring old Interface that worked.
I have a better idea:  recognising the uniqueness and power of Yahoo! Groups and managing it properly along the principles that Mark sets out for Tumblr.
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Rescue Ship on the Horizon!

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Just when I thought we were finally sunk….Groups.io to the rescue!

Remember when we asked for someone to build us our own platform for our groups to move to? We said if they’d code it, we would come.

Well, someone has! And not just ANY someone.  Nope.  This someone is Mark Fletcher, the creator of ONElist.

For those of you who don’t get that significance, ONElist is what eventually became the part of the basis for Yahoo Classic Groups.  You can read more about Mark and his history here.  But my point is that we have someone who was part of the beginnings of the original Yahoo Groups now working on a groups platform that very possibly can be our answer!

So far, both public and private groups are free, and there are some fees for some things like more storage and the ability to add members directly. I haven’t gotten any pricing from Mark, but you can post to him in the Beta group and ask.

Bear in mind, it’s still in Beta testing mode, but that’s more than we ever got when Yahoo hit us with NEO. Some things like photos and database are not yet implemented, but the creator is very open to input and suggestions and is encouraging people to join his Beta Test Group which can be found here.

There is also a TO DO List that Mark has created, that can be located here.  Features are the TO DO list and there are bugs and updates also on the site.

Meanwhile, if you want to check out this new Groups platform, test it out, make suggestions, and create your own group to play with, have at it! You can find it here.  Or you can join the test group Tyger and I are running, “Feathered Leader’s Nest,” MM Sanctuary.

Then please come back and give us some feedback either here or in Mods And Members, okay?

So what are you waiting for? Go check it out!

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The Value Of Yahoo Groups On September 11

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First and foremost today, is the unforgettable fact that today is the anniversary of the 9/11 attacks on the World Trade Center.

Everything else, Yahoo, Mayer, Ferguson, Church issues, family issues, friend issues, pale in the shadow of that. Because we must remember today, and never forget.

It’s ironic that a friend of mine posted in Hollow Tree today and mentioned Affinity. Because it was the Affinity Yahoo Group that first told me about the 9/11 attacks as they were happening. I typically didn’t turn the TV on first thing in the am, but I always came in here and read my mail, checked Hollow Tree, and checked the Affinity Websites.

Bob, Gman, was the one who posted it first in the Yahoo Group AffinityBBS:

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Oh my God

fancygapman — Sep 11 9:10 AM
The bar needs to start serving up free booze. I just heard reports that the World Trade Center and the Pentagon were both hit by planes in acts of terrorism – in my mind acts of war. Can someone turn off Montel and put on the news?

See, at that time, we were doing a sort of Role-Playing dialogue in that Yahoo Group. Running an alternate universe in the middle ages with pubs, dragons, and etc., and each playing various “characters”

That post was the first one. But what marveled me, was watching this normally silly, light hearted group of people that I had known quite some time by now, (was already married to John, whom I met through Affinity), suddenly turn dead serious.

And suddenly, the alternate universe we’d created was no more. Instead, all we had, for hours and hours, was a Yahoo group of people who’d not always gotten along, some who had serious differences with one another, become this tight-knit “family” of sorts, as we supported one another through the horror as it unfolded, and even through the days to come until everyone that one of us knew in the NY City area’s fate had been determined.

Now, Affinity is scattered to the winds. I’m in touch sparsely with a few of them, the Yahoo group still stands and is used whenever someone dies or finds us. The founder died, the group may be dormant most of the time, but I’ll never forget the transformation that took place in that Yahoo group on September 11, 2001.

We were all there for one another, regardless of feelings, grudges, past hurts, and that was just as it should be.

So on this 13th anniversary of those events that shook the world. We need to remember those who lost their lives, their loved ones, or were in any way affected by this tragedy. And those memories should bring us together, not set us apart. That’s what matters most on this day.

Brenda
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Remembering September 11, 2001.

Yahoo Groups — The Forgotten Users 1

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WHY DOESN’T THE MEDIA CARE?

 

On August 4, 2016, Yahoo will have been allowed to use Groups users as guinea pigs for three years! THREE WHOLE YEARS and counting.

You know, it’s sad, really.  It’s sad that a company like Yahoo is allowed to treat people so horribly, and no one seems to care.

It’s tragic that they have been allowed to harm disabled and elderly users for three years and do nothing about it.

It’s an outrage that Yahoo can  continue to boast about how wonderful all their new products are when they can’t even get Mail to work right for everyone.

It makes me ill that they can get away with all of this simply because no one knows or cares what Yahoo Groups really is.

Is the media really that willing to allow them to impact human lives in a dramatic and harmful way and do nothing about it?

Mayer hasn’t done what was promised. She hasn’t turned Yahoo around; in fact, it’s sinking faster than it ever was.  Why doesn’t someone notice this? Why isn’t someone stopping her?

And at this critical time, when everyone is scrutinizing her every move, tell me why aren’t they telling the world what she’s done to US?

We have collected stories, evidence, facts, and stats on this site. We have been fighting Yahoo for what will be a year in August, and yet no one has been able to stop her. Why are our lives so unimportant? Why is it that Groups users don’t matter?

We’ve lost our health groups, our support groups, our research groups, and others. We’ve lost tons of data, photos, messages, and more, and still Mayer stands up there on her podium telling the world how wonderful the New Yahoo is. Well, the new “NEO” Yahoo isn’t wonderful. It’s destructive.

The coding is a mess, sorting doesn’t work, and sometimes people can’t even get logged in. The moderation tools have been crippled, and simple things like buttons to change your e-mail options DO NOT WORK.

Yet Mayer feeds the media with rants about developing video and mobile, buying acquisition after acquisition, saying she is turning Yahoo into a great new place, when in fact all she’s done is turned it into a giant wasteland.

WHY DOES NO ONE CARE?

Can someone answer that? We are human beings with feelings, lives, and needs, and Mayer has taken away some of our basic needs – the needs for support, friendship, research, or services through one of our many Yahoo Groups. Mayer has cut people off from suicide, health, and grief  support groups. She has ruined our ability to be effective at the things we were effective at for so long.

We have boycotted Yahoo advertisers and written them and the stockholders, board members, and media. The proof is right here on this blog site, or I can provide EVEN MORE.

SO WHY DOESN’T SOMEONE DO SOMETHING???????

It’s shameful if the media has truly become so heartless that they can turn their backs on people like Hilary and Geoff. It is sad that the media isn’t screaming to the rafters about the harm being wreaked on disabled users and the horrible and disrespectful way Yahoo has been treating elderly users and veterans.

It’s hard to believe that anyone thinks our lives are that unimportant, that our needs and wishes are something to be ignored, and that Yahoo thinks we should just disappear and go away so that they don’t have to acknowledge the effects of their actions.

Someone PLEASE tell our story to the world and hold Yahoo accountable for these things! Mayer isn’t turning it around; she’s running it into the ground. Can’t you see that?

We’ve held on for three years now, fighting this crusade. I can’t tell you what will happen if nothing changes. Many more users will probably leave. Many more groups will either be deleted or abandoned. Yahoo is a hollow shell of what it once was, with the rich colors and the usability that anyone could understand. Now it’s bland, white, hard on the eyes, and so complex that even the most experienced users struggle with it.

What was the point? If Yahoo wanted to make the point that we aren’t important, that we have no worth to them, they could have done it without destroying our lives and harming us for three years. No, I truly believe they thought they could use us as guinea pigs because they COULD and no one would notice or care.

After all, we’re just the forgotten users.

If you really want to know the truth, read this blog.

Check out the Index.

Check out For The Press.

And check out the list of issues.

Then TELL the world what you learn! Tell the world what Mayer and company have done to us. Point them here to this site.

Maybe then there could be a chance for Yahoo. If not, well, then the Yatanic is going to go down. It’s only a matter of time.

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Leader of the 2013-2016 Yahoo Crusade for Classic.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Truncated Messages in Archives

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Note: This was written by a concerned owner who gave permission for it to be shared.

Hi, Everyone,

I’ve been a follower of this blog for some time. I struggled with whether or not to write this post, but I finally feel I should.  I’m writing today because there is an issue that needs everyone’s attention: Posts Getting Truncated in the Archives.

I’m an owner of a small role-playing group that is basically a writing group, and ever since Neo appeared, posts in the archives have been truncated at 64kb. Now, I’ll be honest, when Neo first appeared I didn’t like it, but I could deal with it, assuming they put the archives table back, which they did. I could deal with it mostly because now that Yahoo Groups has the same software as Google Drive, when another member and I post writings from our Google Drive accounts, the posts aren’t filled with a bunch of symbols and characters make them hard to read, especially posts in the archives. This was a huge improvement after years of dealing with this problem.

However, little did I know. Some months later I was archive-diving, checking my facts for something I was writing (something I do at least once a month, if not more) and I came across this post from 2011 that said “Message over 64KB, truncated.” I thought, what the hell is that? Why? Because I’ve looked at this particular post before in the archives, and I was also the sender. If any post got truncated in 2011 when I was the sender, I would have resent it in parts. I always check and make sure my posts come through alright since Groups is known for sometimes eating posts or not sending the entire thing through or any number of other things. This post was not truncated in 2011, so why is it now? Because of Neo; that’s why.

I can deal with a lot. I even stayed silent when I found ads overtaking a post in the archives, making it impossible to read, because I knew Yahoo would probably get around to fixing it. But this? Truncating my group’s members’ work and mine? All bets are off. I started e-mailing Brenda; I started directing people to the issue on the Feedback Forum — everything I could think of. Except Yahoo closed the issue with this BS about it being fixed, when they didn’t even address the right issue when they closed it.

I thought, okay, what crap, but there are still two topics open about this problem. I’ll just work with those now, and they were getting up in votes, too, but then Yahoo deleted those. Yep, the dreaded problem you guys have talked about here. It forced someone to repost the issue. And now that topic is ranked 52.

Some of you might be wondering why I didn’t catch this problem sooner, especially as I was saying Neo wasn’t that bad. Well, because a lot of my group’s postings don’t go over said limit. Only a small portion are ever that long, so even if I archived constantly, I obviously never came across a posting that had that note at the bottom of it sooner. I’m saddened I didn’t because I would have been bitching sooner, but I’m not the only one with this problem. If you go on Yahoo Answers, a lot of the people complaining are people with writing groups. And even worse? The problems are with postings from years ago. Of course it happens now, too, so I have to go through every post we send now and make sure the writing doesn’t get cut off; it is extra work for me, but I can deal with it. What I find really hard to swallow, however, is posts from years ago now being truncated. Yahoo would say two things:

  1. To just have the sender resend it. My group is coming upon its 11th year. The likelihood of any one member still having a post from, say, 2005 in their inboxes is remote.
  2. (and the one that REALLY gets me) The limit is 15MB, so this shouldn’t be happening. It is happening, gosh darnit!

In short, this is a huge problem. It makes the archives useless. It is unacceptable. And it hurts, as a writer. So I ask for your help for my group and for every other one that is having this problem: If you have come across this issue in your own group, can you please vote and/or comment on the one topic that is still open about this issue on the Forums? I am not the author, but I agree wholeheartedly. This needs to be fixed. It is wrong on so many levels, and I am tired of Yahoo pretending it is fixed or easily remedied. Neither is true.

You can comment on the closed one; it does have the most comments. Despite the fact that it’s supposed to be closed to voting, I see today that it’s gone up from 16 to 11 rank-wise. I don’t understand that at all, but here is the link for that.

And here is the link for the one that is still open for voting.

I thank you for your support.

A Concerned Yahoo Groups Owner